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Offline tantalar

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Hey all, I am new
« on: October 08, 2008, 01:44:38 PM »
I just stumbled upon the website and I think it is REALLY awesome.

I have really gotten into eating naturally, and getting physically fit. I am 21 years old, about 6 feet tall, and about 230 pounds. My life has been pretty messed up and it is only in the last 6 months or so that I am making changes and starting to rebuild. My fitness is extremely important and I want to stay all natural but it is so much harder now than it was in caveman days!

I have been lifting weights and training a lot to be really healthy. I want to hike the Apalacian Trail with a friend of mine (the whole thing) and I realize that this will require a lot of training and a lot of planning so I am giving myself an entire year before I will even attempt a week long hike.

I have been very confused and concerned about what to eat and what to do about body building because I hear that you need to use Protein Powder if you want to become big and strong which I don't think is true but it seems that everyone who uses that stuff gets good results. At the same time I already have 16 inch biceps and have not really been working out seriously for more than 1 month. (just to give you an idea I am naturally very muscular and "burly"

Any bodybuilder type people here that could give me advice on if protein powder is good or bad? I am guessing it is bad and so I have not taken any (I also dont take ANY supplements)

I have really taken my health serious though. I have entirely stopped eating any fast food or frozen dinner things and I try to eat organic always. Lots of fruits and vegetables. I have found that beans are one of the most amazing foods ever. I eat a lot of oatmeal, beans, peas, corn. I am trying to lose weight and be really healthy and very strong. Also I am extremely hairy like an ape. Ill upload some pictures when I lose a little more weight hahaha

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Re: Hey all, I am new
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2008, 03:08:09 AM »
Welcome aboard  :)

Sounds like you're on the right track - your attitude is excellent.

Some of us here do use protein powder.  I use it to supplement my diet, for health reasons, not for body building.  I see it as a compromise, rather than a solution.

If you are planning on doing a 7 day hike, I wouldn't advise getting big and strong - it will slow you down and wear you out.  I've personally witnessed body builders fall apart on bush walks, they simply can't keep up with the fitter guys.

Anyway, good luck, and I'm glad you're making some powerful changes in your life.  Keep up the good work  ;)
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Re: Hey all, I am new
« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2008, 07:48:46 PM »
I detest body building. But I am a huge fan of body ENHANCING. I know what you mean about about big and burly: I have 15inch FOREARMS. But then again I've got 4inches and 45lbs on you, so I can understand where you are coming from and any specific questions you have, I'm pretty sure I can help out.

What's your level of fitness now? Are you big and slow or big and explosive? What kind of cardio do you do? Give us some info and we can really get you started.

And Matt, you may be right about some big guys, but I've been on to many hunts and seen my huge father, uncles, grandfathers, siblings(my sister is 6'2 200lbs), and myself hike 10-20miles back to camp with all the gear and a dead animal on our shoulders to say that big and strong can't do a hike!!!!

I'll bet Tony agrees too!
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Re: Hey all, I am new
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2008, 10:17:46 PM »
I agree with both Matt and BK regarding bodybuilders.  There are a few natural ones out there who are pretty fit, but these are the exceptions.  For the most part, bodybuilders tend to lack "pound for pound" strength.  That is to say, the functional strength of most bodybuilders is relatively low compared to their puffed-up size.

On the other hand, I do believe a person can get big and strong, yet remain extremely fit.  Yes, it takes more energy to move a large body than it does to move a small one.  However, if the body is the right kind of big (that is, consisting of functional, quality muscle, and powered by a well-conditioned heart and lungs), it will generate the energy needed to get the job done.

I'm a big advocate of "pound for pound" strength.  If you're going to add muscle to your frame, make sure it'll help you function better.  Of course, there is usually a limit to how big a person can get before the added size begins to reduce functionality, and this is determined by a number of factors, mostly genetic (height, skeletal frame type, muscle connections/ insertion points, etc.).  Big Khanz is a huge guy, with considerable height and a large skeletal frame.  He is able to carry a tremendous amount of muscle while remaining extremely functional and athletic.  A fine-boned man who stands 5-feet tall wouldn't be able to remain very functional if he carried the same amount of muscle.  I'm somewhere "in the middle," standing 6-feet tall at about 230 pounds... not huge, but not a small man, either.  My goal weight is actually a solid 200-210, so I've got a bit of unneeded adipose to dispose of.  Still, I'm quite athletic, and I've dragged many a large animal out of the woods!

My advice, in a nutshell, is this:  Don't get big just for the sake of getting big, but don't be afraid of packing on quality muscle, either.  Just make sure you're strengthening your body on the inside, too (heart, lungs, connective tissues, etc.).  Form follows function.  Don't worry, if you work hard to make yourself stronger, you'll look the part.

Tantalar, being that you and I are about the same height, I thought you might be interested in this picture of me, taken at a bodyweight of about 215 pounds.  As you can see, there's a fair amount of muscle there, but every bit of it is functional.
« Last Edit: October 13, 2008, 10:26:37 PM by Tony Bondioli »
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Re: Hey all, I am new
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2008, 04:21:23 PM »
And Matt, you may be right about some big guys, but I've been on to many hunts and seen my huge father, uncles, grandfathers, siblings(my sister is 6'2 200lbs), and myself hike 10-20miles back to camp with all the gear and a dead animal on our shoulders to say that big and strong can't do a hike!!!!

You are right; certain conditions favour certain physical attributes.  One of our favourite activities is climbing steep mountains whilst carrying mountain bikes and backpacks.  The bigger (stronger) guys do well at this, whilst the smaller guys tend to struggle more - the opposite is true when the load is light.
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Re: Hey all, I am new
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2008, 04:23:26 PM »
Excellent advice Tony  ;)
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Re: Hey all, I am new
« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2008, 07:48:10 PM »
I want to become a total beast. I want to be really fast, really strong, and I want to never be tired. A friend of mine is a big time outdoorsman who has gone hiking on the Appalachian trail. He regularly does trail runs, does triathalons, does rockclimbing and is a supreme athlete and is all natural no drugs no supplements no protein powder, and has a very strict wholesome healthy diet.

 I told him that I want to hike the entire trail some day... ASAP before we get settled down with family/career/wife/kids and all that good stuff that keeps you busy! I really enjoy tennis and my fitness has been slowing me down a little bit... Tennis requires balance, strength, speed, stamina, flexibility, explosive power... the full package...

I want all of my muscle to be very functional. I want to be built like a tank but I want to be all compact. I want to have solid defined muscles. I want to sculpt my body so that it looks good but that it functions very well as well so I guess I would say I want to be body ENHANCING.

I would say I am big and explosive. I just need to get rid of the rest of this fat on my body. I could maybe shed 40 pounds and be at 8% body fat. I am very flexible and my footspeed is very good. I am conditioned to play a grueling 5 set tennis match and then play another back to back. The thing that kills me is either sprinting or long distance running. If there was football in my town growing up I probably would be playing college football right now let's put it that way. As far as cardio I have been walking like... 5 miles and running maybe 2-3 miles on a good day (usually do this together in one day). Lately I have been overworking myself and I got sick a few days ago. Also I just started working a lot and have been pretty tired because of that...  I usually burn calories from tennis but recently it has been strictly walking and jogging and a little hiking. Soon it will be really cold and snowy so I will not be able to play any more tennis however. Also I guess I burn a lot of calories from weight lifting. I sometimes lift weights for 2 hours at a time and a portion of that is leg exercises and just doing my own stuff with weights just to get myself moving.

I might also add that I spent most of my childhood up until the age of about 16 basically in an antidepressant drugged form which was an absolute horrific experience and has essentially stunted my social life and helped to encourage a couch potato like stay at home eat unhealthy food way of thinking... BUT Upon reaching the ripe age of 21 I finally mustered the will power and knowledge to take back my life and start living it the way I WANT TO... and that is what led me to this website :)

basically Big Kahnz I want to be a badass just like you! I read some posts about how you are a nice guy and a total beast. I really pride myself on being a very kind warm hearted gentleman but I want to be a complete animal so that people know not to mess around with me.

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Re: Hey all, I am new
« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2008, 02:03:25 PM »
Im offically coining the phrase "Body Enhancing: a rEvolution in Fitness, Self-Image and Confidence"... This will be my entire marketing campaign when we get the gym open, so let me know what you think...

But back to the thread:
 Tantalar, lets take a step back from all this and come at it sideways. You have several goals and you have lots of enthusiasm. That can be both good and bad. You need to realize that fitness isn't a sprint. Hell, it isn't even a marathon. It's a huge, gruelling obstacle course in the woods taking place over three days. There are hurdles, triumphs, setbacks, victories and failures. You can't do everything in one day, but you do have to build on the days and weeks before.

When I train people, I try to get them to understand a simple but profound princple of fitness: Form should follow Function. If you look at any gymnastic star, pro MMA fighter, or NFL linebacker you see exactly what I mean. They train for someting (Function) and their bodies follow (Form). Now look at the counter to this: If Function follows Form, then the Form has little or no Function.  In essence, this means having a goal other than being pretty and striving for it. Who would you rather be built like, an olympic gymnast or a pro bodybuilder. Both of them are the elite of what they do, but guess who the girls will usually pick?

So dont worry so much about size, weight, or being an animal, think about what you can DO. Mindset is the key to Fitness

So in your case, we should focus on your goal: the 7day hike. The two most important things to focus on are cardio and muscular endurance. These are very easy to train together. Grab yourself a weightvest (20-40lbs) and head to the treadmill. 30-60 minutes of 12-15 degrees at 2.2-3.5 mph will simulate hills very well, can easily be added to your normal time at the gym, and will burn 500-2000 calories a session. Resitance training with focus on moderate weight/high repetitions with little or no isolation movements will also transfer well while keeping up overall strength/fitness.

What kind of strength/resistance training are you doing?
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Re: Hey all, I am new
« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2008, 10:27:49 PM »
I have been doing the following and dividing it up into two different days.

I might need to divide it up unto more days and also rest more between. I have been working lately and been really stressed/tired because of it but I am working hard on trying to go to sleep on time and wake up on time instead of staying awake all night and waking up late in the morning.


(ABS)
CRUNCH - http://www.coopersguns.com/videos/exercise-encyclopedia/abdominals/crunch/
WEIGHTED LEG RAISES http://www.coopersguns.com/videos/exercise-encyclopedia/abdominals/leg-raise/
CYCLING - http://www.coopersguns.com/videos/core-exercises/cycling-level-3/

(OBLIQUE)
KNEES TO SIDE - http://www.coopersguns.com/videos/exercise-encyclopedia/obliques/knees-to-chest-on-side/
ALTERNATE SIT UP - http://www.coopersguns.com/videos/exercise-encyclopedia/obliques/alternate-sit-up-with-knee-lift/

(BICEP)
BARBELL CURL - http://www.coopersguns.com/videos/exercise-encyclopedia/biceps/barbell-curl/
HAMMER CURL - http://www.coopersguns.com/videos/exercise-encyclopedia/biceps/hammer-curl/
CONCENTRATION CURL - http://www.coopersguns.com/videos/exercise-encyclopedia/biceps/concentration-curl/

(TRICEP)
TRICEP EXTENSION - http://www.coopersguns.com/videos/exercise-encyclopedia/triceps/dumbell-tricep-extension/
DIPS http://www.coopersguns.com/videos/exercise-encyclopedia/triceps/dips-on-bench/
SINGLE ARM EXTENSION - http://www.coopersguns.com/videos/exercise-encyclopedia/triceps/dumbell-lying-single-arm-extension/

(FOREARM)
PALM DOWN CURL - http://www.coopersguns.com/videos/exercise-encyclopedia/biceps/ez-curl-palm-down/


(GLUTES)
BODY SQUAT - http://www.coopersguns.com/videos/exercise-encyclopedia/glutes/squat-2/
DUMBELL LUNGE - http://www.coopersguns.com/videos/exercise-encyclopedia/glutes/dumbell-lunge/
THIGH ABDUCTION - http://www.coopersguns.com/videos/exercise-encyclopedia/glutes/thigh-abduction/

(INNER THIGH)
LAYING THIGH ABDUCTION - http://www.coopersguns.com/videos/exercise-encyclopedia/inner-thigh/lying-leg-adduction/

(Calves) - Calf raise


TUESDAY


(WARM UP)
WAIST TWISTS X 200
JOG IN PLAcE
JUMP ROPE


(PECTORALS)
DUMBELL FLY - http://www.coopersguns.com/videos/exercise-encyclopedia/pectorals/dumbell-fly/
DUMBELL BENCH PRESS - http://www.coopersguns.com/videos/exercise-encyclopedia/pectorals/dumbell-bench-press/
DUMBELL PULL OVER - http://www.coopersguns.com/videos/exercise-encyclopedia/pectorals/dumbell-pullover/
PRESS UP CLOSED GRIP - http://www.coopersguns.com/videos/exercise-encyclopedia/pectorals/close-grip-press-up/

(DELTOID)
LATERAL RAISE - http://www.coopersguns.com/videos/exercise-encyclopedia/deltoids/seated-lateral-raise/
ARNOLD PRESS - http://www.coopersguns.com/videos/exercise-encyclopedia/deltoids/arnold-press/
FRONT RAISE - http://www.coopersguns.com/videos/exercise-encyclopedia/deltoids/front-raise/

(TRAPS)
SHRUGS - http://www.coopersguns.com/videos/exercise-encyclopedia/traps/dumbell-shrug/
UPRIGHT ROW - http://www.coopersguns.com/videos/exercise-encyclopedia/traps/dumbell-upright-row/

(LATS)
SINGLE ARM ROW - http://www.coopersguns.com/videos/exercise-encyclopedia/lats/dumbell-single-arm-row/
SINGLE ARM ROW PALM DOWN - http://www.coopersguns.com/videos/exercise-encyclopedia/lats/standing-dumbbell-row-palm-down/

I have not been lifting lately, it has been at least a week since I have done any lifting and I feel regretful of this.

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Re: Hey all, I am new
« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2008, 07:33:42 AM »
I don't have time to write much right now, but I'll leave you with this thought for today:  TRAIN FOR MOVEMENT, NOT MUSCLES.

Check out www.monkeybargym.com for a better idea of what this idea is all about.
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