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Offline ryan1972

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vegetarians
« on: March 19, 2008, 07:08:43 AM »
I'm interested in any opinions about vegetarianism.  I have experimented with it in the past, and I felt good and enjoyed it.  I still focused on whole, unprocessed food, but relied on beans and soy products for protein.  I don't have a moral objection with eating meat itself, but I am extremely uncomfortable with the meat industry and the way animals are treated therein.  Thoughts?

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Re: vegetarians
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2008, 07:18:05 AM »
I personally have found more evidence to support eating meat then not. The biggest guiding factor has been a study on gut morphology that undeniably lands us as an omnivore with an inefficient digestive system that can handle most things but not as efficiently as specialist animals.

Regarding soy and beans, they are bad news. Soy in particular is highly toxic until processed and the entire history of Soy has been distorted so the Soy products industry can peddle their "good" alternatives. Seriously, soy is just nasty. The following links will give you some insight into the truth about Soy:

http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/
http://campaignfortruth.com/Eclub/220903/soy.htm
http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/index.html

I have a lot more but there is no need to link as you can google all this stuff in mere minutes using choice keywords. The internet truly brings the saying "information is power" to life.

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Re: vegetarians
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2008, 08:33:14 AM »
I have heard a lot of negative things about soy, but I continue to be a fan of the bean.  I have found black beans, kidney beans, lentils, etc to be a relatively cheap, filling, fibrous part of my diet.  So many cultures use beans, rice and other unprocessed grains as a staple that I haven't discounted them in my own diet as of yet. Of course, I am completely on board with the idea of eliminating or seriously limiting anything processed.

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Re: vegetarians
« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2008, 08:48:16 AM »
Our physiology says that we (humans) are omnivores.  And I think vegetarianism is unnatural.  So if your goal is to be natural, than I'd recommend against being a vegetarian, however, if your goals are different to that, it may have it's place.

I've researched the merits of Soy Beans, but my results were inconclusive.  Personally though, I avoid them.
"Be true to your biology"

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Re: vegetarians
« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2008, 02:50:19 PM »
Unless they are fermented, like asian cultures traditionally do (soy beans were mainly for making condiments) they contain phytoestrogens that may act as real estrogens in estrogen sensitive people's bodies.

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Re: vegetarians
« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2008, 03:52:44 PM »
Unless they are fermented, like asian cultures traditionally do (soy beans were mainly for making condiments) they contain phytoestrogens that may act as real estrogens in estrogen sensitive people's bodies.

Indeed, and they do a lot more nasty things on top of that. Even the traditionally fermented ones were of limited use, unlike what the Soy industry wants us all to think. Historically Soy was actually use almost exclusively as a rotational crop for resting plots as the root system is very good at holding nitrogen, etc and was ploughed back into the soil before the real crop was planted. The Asians hardly ever actually ate it, except when literally nothing else was available (ie: the starving poor during food famines in China). It really isn't the long and historically well used food source it's made out to be.

I have a very simple view of diet these days and it goes something like this; Could we eat it before we developed processing methods (excluding fire)? If the answer is no, such as Soy which is highly toxic in it's raw state, then it has no place in a regular diet as far as I am concerned. This is certainly easier said then done, and I fail often with my own rules (I do love my coffee), but the thinking behind it is rational and logical to me. It just seems like common sense actually.

Thinking "this is highly toxic but if we do bizarre processing to it then we can consume it" just seems so stupid in hindsight.

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Re: vegetarians
« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2008, 10:07:38 PM »
Yeah, it has no place in my diet. We already get plenty of industrial estrogens in large quantities from what I hear, no need to stack more on top of that for whatever perceived benefits it might have. No reason to pick this bean out of the multitude of others.