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Offline Phanatic

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What's wrong with modern humanity - add yours.
« on: March 09, 2008, 10:06:33 PM »
We think:
-food comes from the Supermarket
-everything in moderation
-we should eat 3-6 meals a day
-that vaccinations are an effective way to gain immunity to diseases
-we can be unhealthy in our youth, and take care of our health when we retire
-that there is nothing wrong spending 40 hours of our week doing the things we wouldn't do in our free time
-nutrients come from pills
-modern medicine is the best cure for disease
-nutrition has little to do with health or weight, it's mostly genetics
-that mainly genes give us cancer or make us strong or weak
-material goods bring the most happiness

Ok, I've exhausted my thought processes for now, but if everyone could add their own that'd be great.

Offline Matt Emery

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Re: What's wrong with modern humanity - add yours.
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2008, 11:35:01 PM »
...that there is nothing wrong spending 40 hours of our week doing the things we wouldn't do in our free time

Brilliant line.  And it's at the heart of our (continuous) campaign i.e. be true to your biology.  And I'll add something to the list;

  • We won't suffer pathological loneliness from ostracising families in order to take advantage of specialised employment and affordable tract housing.

I'll add more later  ;)
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« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2008, 03:58:41 AM »
Yeah, liking that one. I'll think of some more tomorrow.

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« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2008, 11:34:34 AM »
This is a topic I've given a great deal of consideration, lately. Basically, my view is that we're a dumbed-down, weak and pathetically sheep-like society that has been lead by a cabal of the most evil men in history from behind the scenes. I refer to the globalist elite, such as the Rothschilds, the Rockefellers, et al, who have exercised control over our lives for well over a century, without the knowledge of consent of most of the world's population. These are the New World Order psychos who are behind the movement to increase vaccinations, to convince us that eating meat and fat is bad for us and that eating manufactured crap is good, that modern medicine's mission should be to "maintain" diseases instead of curing them, and of course, the debasement of our currency, which has been nothing than fiat money called Federal Reserve Notes for the last 95 years. The recession we are now in, and the resultant skyrocketing food and oil prices are a direct result of the elites' deliberate attempt to totally destroy the middle class and our society, all for the purpose of creating a global government, under which we will all be serfs, working for the benefit of the global elite. To make it easier to achieve their goals, among those goals is the elimination of up to 80% of humanity (principally, the poor, or "useless eaters," as Zibgniew Brezinski refers to them), which was all laid out in Henry Kissinger's 1973 paper on the subject of population control and reduction.

Well, it would require volumes to go into this fully, so I'll leave you a few links to explore (with an open mind):

Naomi Wolf on her book, The End of America:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjALf12PAWc

Alex Jones' film Endgame: Blueprint for Global Enslavement:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1070329053600562261

Video, New World Order Population Control:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6560643479470487721&q=population+control&total=1132&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=7

The truth about 9/11:
http://loosechange911.com/finalcut/

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4168773137822227180&total=39&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

Zeitgeist the Movie:
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

Alternative news sources:
http://www.infowars.com


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« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2008, 06:40:41 PM »
I've spent years studying the assertions that you've just written about.  And although I do applaud some of the work presented in the films/documentaries you've listed below, I am sceptical about a lot if it too.  The basis for my scepticism is purely cognitive -  I am not afraid to acknowledge the notion that governments are corrupt, nor am I myopic enough to be unable to comprehend conspiracy scenarios.

I also think that these films (ironically) fail to recognise a basic human motivation, which is self interest.  My premise is this; imagine a conspiracy where government agencies or private companies are involved, it would only take a handful of self-interested individuals to thwart such conspiracies by coming out of the closet, thus elevating themselves to the status of heroes, which would likely lead to more wealth for such individuals than if they followed their aforementioned program.

Additionally, I think the government (again, ironically) and private industry are smart enough to avoid blatant displays of power grabbing, or honey potting, which is what these films suggest.

I think it is more plausible to suggest that governments and private industry have far more subtle methods to acquire wealth and/or power.  The slow and ever advancing culture shift towards consumerism coupled with control over the supply of resources is (in my opinion) their preferred method of acquisition.

The democratic system combined with the free market economy is arguably the most suitable (to human nature) social system to be utilised by modern civilisation to this day, but as you have pointed out, it is far from perfect and is frightfully vulnerable to exploitation.

I would like to see a day where voters are given more power, as I believe the voting system is flawed and incompatible with our current society.  I think that the people are misrepresented and intentionally kept aloof.  And I think that these flaws were inherited within the current system from the aristocratic systems of recent history.

In short, I think that democracy needs a thorough update.  And I'd like to propose the idea that; people are given more say in the running of their country via holistic voting systems that not only elects parties and candidates, but also controls decision making.

The intelligent use of collective wisdom has been squandered (perhaps intentionally), and I think our societies could be far more conducive to human contentment if we drew upon the wisdom of all people, rather than stifled and limited scope of wisdom that emerges our from our current democratic systems.

We need an Age of Enlightenment  ::)
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« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2008, 03:12:09 AM »
Democracy eh? The whole left-right spectrum polarizes everyone and makes us think we actually have a choice. Either you're a leftie and a rightie. People get pretty passionate about it. But at the end of the day, what do WE THE PEOPLE actually decide? Nothing. We get excited and vote once every 4 years or whatever, then we complain about how crap the government is, how our dollar is becoming worth less and less. Rinse and repeat.

Oh and about vaccinations, they are most definitely bad for you.

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« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2008, 09:14:58 PM »
You've hit the nail right on the head, Phanatic. The present farce presented as the American electoral process is the biggest dog and pony show yet. The only candidate in the running who is not a member of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) is Ron Paul - everyone else is CFR, on both sides of the false left-right political spectrum.

Matt, good observations, however the slow way is exactly what the global elite have been using - for over a century, now. The CFR dates to 1921, itself and the men who founded it used Woodrow Wilson to gain control of the U.S. government, via the Federal Reserve Act and the income tax, in 1913. But, even this is predated by Cecil Rhoades' 19th century machinations designed to expand the then British Empire into a global empire. One outgrowth of this was the Royal Institute of International Affairs (RIIA), which was the predecessor and remains the Anglo counterpart of the CFR. So, it's not like this is a sudden move on the part of the global elite. They have been taking the long, slow incremental approach of the Fabian Socialists for quite some time and are only now nearing the completion of at least a major part of their plans. The EU took fifty years to evolve from a "trade agreement" and now the process is being greatly accelerated with the North American Union and the EU being merged into one entity even as the NAU is rapidly being formed behind the scenes by re-writing U.S. laws and regulations without the input of Congress.

As for being blatant about it, while stealth and secrecy have been the favored model for decades, the elite are getting ever bolder as they believe their plans are unstoppable and that they are getting near to completion. They have always loved to leave little clues and make outright public statements, confident that most people are too ignorant and too lazy minded to even find out about it. The truly scary thing is, they're right!

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« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2008, 10:58:53 PM »
I'm actually not a resident of the United States, it's just a general observation of democracy. For all that we rant and rave about how great democracy is, we have little more say than people in dictatorships do. The only difference is we decide which puppet to elect. Sometimes I look at the candidates and think - how the hell did you get there? I didn't nominate you as a candidate. Ah the illusion of choice.

confident that most people are too ignorant and too lazy minded to even find out about it. The truly scary thing is, they're right!

Kind of makes you wonder: if we're too lazy to care about our own environment that our kids will grow up in, do we deserve liberty?

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« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2008, 05:40:20 AM »
I'm not sure myself which conspiracies are true and which are the fanciful thoughts of crackpots. To be honest though I really don't care either way. I have no doubt that at least some are true, but what can we do about it? A fat lot of nothing, that's what.

I myself would rather focus on the betterment and improvement of my life and the lives of people I directly interact with. I see much more value in investing my time in learning and researching good dietary habits (and other useful things) and passing them onto my friends rather then whining about our cruddy overlords (I'm NOT saying you guys are whining. I'm just making my point here).

I guess what I'm trying to say is just to be careful about how hung up you get on things like this. I know a few people who have been hardcore into this conspiracy stuff for many years and they are paranoid, delusional and it really has ruined their lives and they still don't know or have proof of any of these things being true or not. All I keep thinking is "what is the point?" in doing that to yourself. And it is not the same as being informed and educated, which is am 100% in support of.

I say live well and do good in all you are involved with.

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« Reply #9 on: March 19, 2008, 07:16:33 AM »
I agree with Seeker.

Whilst my head is certainly not in the sand, I find that conspiracy theories make me beg the question; what can I do? And the answer to that for me is; build a website, and start a political party, both of which I have done.

Yeah, I may as well spill the beans now... I have started a political party (seriously!) called "The Australian Freedom Fighters" (abbreviated as AFF).  I've drafted a constitution for the party and I am hoping to bring together some rational, visionary and scientific people to address some of the problems we have in our world today, and also; to help build a charter that will underpin the spirit of the party.  I hope to elect a candidate within the party to run for the Australian senate.

And just to be clear, I will not be bringing that over to the Caveman Power Website (as it will have it's own website within a couple of days).

http://www.australianfreedomfighters.com/
« Last Edit: March 20, 2008, 04:53:38 AM by Matt Emery »
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« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2008, 08:46:24 PM »
Matt, good luck with AFF. I wish you success with it.

I think many people have been mislead to believe that any talk of a conspiracy is a "conspiracy theory." The very words "conspiracy theory" have become a pejorative, used to pidgeon-hole those people who hold such views as crackpots, nuts and paranoids. I assure you, however, that everything I said above is factual, verifiable and, worst of all, only the tip of a very large and ugly iceberg.

Don't make the mistake of thinking that what you believe you know about the world is reality, for much more than you realize has been spoon-fed to you by an Establishment controlled media. I don't blame you, Seeker, for wanting to pursue your own personal interests and ignore what else is happening around you. I try to do the same, myself. In fact, I've had to compartmentalize my knowledge of what the elite have been up to and separate it from my daily life, to some extent, otherwise I'd be so depressed I couldn't function. Also, I believe, as bleak as the big picture appears to be, that we are ultimately going to prevail over the global elite in the end. In the first place, we outnumber them. Secondly, their plans require (or at least have, until recently) the use of stealth, secrecy and subterfuge to achieve their ends. As those of us who know continue to grow in numbers every day, there will come a point (hopefully, not too late) at which the elite will have no place to hide their dirty deeds any longer and they will be forced out into the open to confront us all directly. When that happens, we have the high ground, as they are the minority. But, what I fear is that far too many people are taking your approach and it is because of this that we may ultimately lose our liberties. I know the three of you are not Americans, so you, perhaps, aren't keeping up with developments here in the United States, but I certainly have been, on a daily basis, for nearly a year, now. Also, prior to that, I once held the same views you do. My personal discovery of several things and my subsequent continued research of them is what has lead me to the inescapable conclusions I now hold. I don't wish to insult anyone here, but may I suggest you take a look outside the box, with and open mind? I did. I once refused to believe some of the things I now believe. For example, that 9/11 was an "inside job," the work of various people within the CIA, the White House, and elsewhere. The evidence of this is undeniable. I once tried to ignore it, thinking it was absurd, until I saw key pieces of evidence that made it impossible to buy the phony official story. All I'm saying is, check it out. Don't accept my word for it; do your own research, as I've done. Just don't assume you know the truth without having examined the evidence. Fair enough?

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« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2008, 04:07:13 AM »
Please forgive me, you have completely misunderstood my post and jumped to conclusions that were never intended. You have assumed many incorrect things about my beliefs and how I act regarding them. I shall try to write more articulately in future.
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« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2008, 06:45:52 PM »
Please forgive me, you have completely misunderstood my post and jumped to conclusions that were never intended. You have assumed many incorrect things about my beliefs and how I act regarding them. I shall try to write more articulately in future.

Sorry if I've offended you, Seeker, but when you characterized those who subscribe to so-called "conspiracy theories" ( I assure you, there is nothing at all theoretical about what I'm addressing here - it is verifiable fact) as "...paranoid and delusional...," I must take issue with that view. As I said, I once held the very same viewpoint that the three of you do. I mentioned, briefly, what changed my mind, though I didn't go into a great amount of detail. For that detail, I find it best, for reasons of holding this discussion to a reasonable amount of web space, to refer you to sources of evidence that are readily available to all. Then you can read or view these and make up your own mind, as I have done. I've already posted several links, which can be found above.

Just as you don't care for being mischaracterized, neither do I. There are millions of people in the United States, let alone world-wide, who have awakened to the same facts I refer to here. We are not paranoid or delusional. It can be neither paranoia nor delusion when it's the truth.



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« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2008, 10:53:22 PM »
Let us look for common ground in this debate... the fact that corporations and governments are advancing towards fascism is our common ground - let us focus on that and unite!  Otherwise, we (the people) will remain divided and in stalemate, which only serves to benefit the powers we oppose.

Additionally, in keeping with the spirit of this website, let us look for solutions and effective ways that we can help those who want to be helped.
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« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2008, 11:32:17 PM »
Let us look for common ground in this debate... the fact that corporations and governments are advancing towards fascism is our common ground - let us focus on that and unite!  Otherwise, we (the people) will remain divided and in stalemate, which only serves to benefit the powers we oppose.

Additionally, in keeping with the spirit of this website, let us look for solutions and effective ways that we can help those who want to be helped.

Wholly agreed on that, Matt. That's my goal: to unite everyone. Otherwise, we cannot hope to stop what is happening. It's just that, when I encounter this resistance from those who don't want to accept that something very wrong is going on, who seem to want to cling to the world as they believe it is - even when it clearly isn't - I feel compelled to attempt to persuade them otherwise. Of course, I recognize that many will simply go on resisting, or will not understand. Many don't want to face the end of the world as they know it. Heck, I don't want to, either. But we must all come to terms, now or later (when it's too late) with the fact that there is a world government forming right under our noses, and it is not some aquarian New Age entity of eternal bliss, but a very dark and malevolent entity that seeks our destruction and the enslavement of those who are spared. One only has to open their eyes to see it. The signs are everywhere today. It's my objective to wake up as many people to this as possible. It's not some intellectual parlor game or just something to discuss or contemplate.

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« Reply #15 on: March 22, 2008, 12:10:03 AM »
You did not offend me. I assure you it would take more then someone disagreeing with me to cause offence. As I already said, you have assumed many things that are false regarding my position on these matters. I thought it was fairly self explanatory in my initial post but I guess not.

I am well aware of many conspiracies going around. I have read in detail the many 911, Port Arthur, Iraq Oil, W.H.O, U.N, and other various conspiracy possibilities. I do keep abreast of these things. I will not, however, let them rule my life. Nor am I sticking my head in the sand just because I choose to not actively harangue people into believing and disbelieving the same things as myself.

I made no claim that all conspiracy theorists were deluded or nutters. You have done that all on your own. You can't possibly be so ignorant as to think none of them are though right? I did however state I am unsure which conspiracies are definite truth and which are merely the ravings of a deluded mind. It had no bearing on a large group of people or otherwise.

I have been polite and courteous to you. I request the same in return and perhaps a little bit of rational thinking and consideration before jumping to conclusions that are wildly off base.

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« Reply #16 on: March 22, 2008, 11:19:22 AM »
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It's just that, when I encounter this resistance from those who don't want to accept that something very wrong is going on, who seem to want to cling to the world as they believe it is - even when it clearly isn't - I feel compelled to attempt to persuade them otherwise.

Yes Gary, i'm well aware of that.  And if you want to push that or any other agenda, I sincerely wish you well - but this website isn't the place for it.

The community here does not push opinions onto each other.  We heard your debate, we disagreed, and you've come back with little other than emotional pleas for people to 'open their mind', and suggestions that I and others are 'ignoring the world around us' - which is not getting us anywhere.

Seeker, you may as well pull up, it looks like you and Gary are not going to see eye to eye on this.

I encourage everyone to read the Terms of Use if you haven't already; http://www.cavemanpower.com/about/terms_of_use.html

I will be putting my foot down if people get too pushy on this website.  You've been warned.
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« Reply #17 on: March 22, 2008, 05:37:01 PM »
Don't worry Matt, my last post was my final one on this matter and regardless of this one issue I think Gary will still be a valuable contributing member here. He obviously is a smart and caring individual which is always welcome in my opinion. I just wanted to explain my position, in a short and basic summary, since it was completely misread originally. Consider it finished.  ;)

I love how people here, for the most part, really encourage open discussion and rational sharing of thoughts and ideas. And even more importantly, proactive solutions to these problems instead of just talk,talk,talk with nothing much else. This website espouses this philosophy and that's a rare thing given the state of most online forums. The TOS is a very good idea and I think it can do nothing but help keep things running smoothly and minimise the potential for confusion on what is acceptable or not.
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