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« on: May 02, 2012, 06:44:41 PM »

Been reading up on this paleo stuff, and am really excited about it. I just the more experienced Paleo dieters could clear up some of my questions

1) can i really eat what ever i want for my meal the first four weeks?!?! This seems wayyy too good to be true, considering that if i eat nothing but a few nuts and veggies during the day i'd easily be able to devour a whole pizza when dinner time came around.

2) protein shakes yay or nay? I was 320 when i first started trying to drop some weight, and am down to 290 after a month, but I feel im wasting away muscularly speaking. Yes i was fat as all hell, but a whole bunch of that wieght was (and still is) solid mass i built powerlifting.
whats the take on drinking a shake or two during the day?

3) how would this diet handle a powerlifting regimen? should i eat before or after say, loading up the power rack and hitting up a heavy squat routine?

thanks in advace!
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« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2012, 01:22:49 AM »

1.) it is too good to be true. It's meant to make your body realize that all this junk food is not too good for you.   I think there is not a single one of us here who didn't realize this quite soon and started eating healthy.

2.) I often watch special ops training videos, and these people are not allowed to ingest any food supplements, including protein shakes and their training is much tougher as you'll ever have as a body builder. I think there should be no complaining about how their bodies look. On the other hand, talking from personal experience, protein additives are not advised for the professional athletes. The reason being that they may contain traces of substances that might cause them to be tested positive on anti-doping tests and because there aren't any real benefits of protein shakes over an old-fashioned steak. Ingesting good quality proteins, as in egg yolk, good quality meat... in high enough quantities will do you more good as any protein shake. Most of the muscle you see at the 'traditional' fitness competitions is a consequence (I don't claim this is so in all cases, but probably in majority of them) of anabolic steroid intake. At least so they say though it's no actual proof of it because these competitors do not fall within the anti-doping supervision. To achieve the muscle mass the anabolics induce a person probably needs to take protein shakes to catch up with the increased metabolism needs.
Google 'natural bodybuilding' if you want a healthy one. This is a movement within the fitness/bodybuilding where the athletes do not take performance enhancing drugs (doping) and they submit themselves to the testing authorities. If you don't want to be tested just don't start competing but you can still train as they do and achieve amazing results. As a woman I find them much easier on the eyes as the traditional bodybuilders. Though, I'd say most women would still go for a lean athletics look.
At the end of the day, the call is yours on what you'll do with the shakes.

3.) if you plan to do a rigorous training during the whole 'diet' (I prefer the word lifestyle) regimen, I'm a bit sceptic how you'll manage to have enough protein intake during the phases 1 and 2. If you go through it, I'd consider replacing grazing on nuts with grazing on eggs, jerky.... and some vegetables to keep your peristaltic working. We are versatile in how our metabolisms work, in our daily routines..., asking for advice is good, you'll receive many ideas, but you have to listen what your body tells you. Stage 3 should be no problem with the protein intake.
As for when I don't have experience. I've heard that fitness people take their proteins after the workout to prevent muscle atrophy. But I also know world class cross country skiers who didn't have any special nutrition regime on when to eat what.
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« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2012, 01:57:53 AM »

Stage one is there to get you sick of eating junk...... it works really well!

Protein shakes might get you the results slightly quicker than high protein foods, but it's not natural at all...... cavemen didn't drink them!!....

Agree with Jana...... switch your grazing from fruit to protein.....hard boiled eggs and cooked chicken breast are great to have after excercise, and a banana now and again is a good idea as it replaces potasium lost through sweating.

Have a read through as many posts as you can as there are lots of hints and tips  Smiley

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« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2012, 02:01:42 PM »

1.) it is too good to be true. It's meant to make your body realize that all this junk food is not too good for you.   I think there is not a single one of us here who didn't realize this quite soon and started eating healthy.

2.) I often watch special ops training videos, and these people are not allowed to ingest any food supplements, including protein shakes and their training is much tougher as you'll ever have as a body builder. I think there should be no complaining about how their bodies look. On the other hand, talking from personal experience, protein additives are not advised for the professional athletes. The reason being that they may contain traces of substances that might cause them to be tested positive on anti-doping tests and because there aren't any real benefits of protein shakes over an old-fashioned steak. Ingesting good quality proteins, as in egg yolk, good quality meat... in high enough quantities will do you more good as any protein shake. Most of the muscle you see at the 'traditional' fitness competitions is a consequence (I don't claim this is so in all cases, but probably in majority of them) of anabolic steroid intake. At least so they say though it's no actual proof of it because these competitors do not fall within the anti-doping supervision. To achieve the muscle mass the anabolics induce a person probably needs to take protein shakes to catch up with the increased metabolism needs.
Google 'natural bodybuilding' if you want a healthy one. This is a movement within the fitness/bodybuilding where the athletes do not take performance enhancing drugs (doping) and they submit themselves to the testing authorities. If you don't want to be tested just don't start competing but you can still train as they do and achieve amazing results. As a woman I find them much easier on the eyes as the traditional bodybuilders. Though, I'd say most women would still go for a lean athletics look.
At the end of the day, the call is yours on what you'll do with the shakes.

3.) if you plan to do a rigorous training during the whole 'diet' (I prefer the word lifestyle) regimen, I'm a bit sceptic how you'll manage to have enough protein intake during the phases 1 and 2. If you go through it, I'd consider replacing grazing on nuts with grazing on eggs, jerky.... and some vegetables to keep your peristaltic working. We are versatile in how our metabolisms work, in our daily routines..., asking for advice is good, you'll receive many ideas, but you have to listen what your body tells you. Stage 3 should be no problem with the protein intake.
As for when I don't have experience. I've heard that fitness people take their proteins after the workout to prevent muscle atrophy. But I also know world class cross country skiers who didn't have any special nutrition regime on when to eat what.


Thanks for your input and opinion. So do i skip stage one? I was kind of looking foward to it...  Grin



p.s.
just an FYI I wanted to share with you, I'm not a bodybuilder. I'm into competitive powerlifting. The difference is bodybuilders lift to sculpt their muscles, powerlifters lift to get stronger, specifically Benchpress, Squat, and Deadlift more. As a powerlifter, the calorie requirements are much much higher, because its quite acceptable to go into a competition 'fat' as long as you fit into your weight class, (personally im aiming to drop to the 242 pound weight class from the 320+) and is common knowledge that more calories= more raw strength
And to say special forces training is 'harder' is not correct. It's a different goal. I may not be able to run or swim a mile at the same speed as them, but none of my navy seal buds can benchpress any where near 500 pounds. Its a different thing we prepare our bodies for, they do endurance, I do raw brute strength.
Thats why i asked about Shakes; I require more protein than them simply because i have more muscle to maintain. Its difficult to eat 300 grams of protein a day eating only 'real food'
Also, i'm not into this for looks. At 290lbs im quite happy with my physique, heck, at 320 i was happy with my physique, a six pack and 'ripped look' never was or will never be be a goal for me, this is more of a health issue. RIght now everything checks out, but the body can take much more punishment at 24 than it can, at say, 40. and I want to be able to powerlift well into my old age, not have my body give out due to cholesterol or high BP at 40. Thats why I decided to try and drop wieght classes
And dont worry, i've never doped. Never had to




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« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2012, 12:00:40 AM »

You decide. i combine stages 1 and 3, depending how I generally feel and how hungry I am. I'm physically active, combining running and weight lifting and my aim is a general physical endurance. Quite different as yours.
When I started I couldn't do the stage 1 so I went to stage 3 until my metabolism adjusted to the changes in nutrition. Now I do stage 3 on stressful days and when I know I won't be able to eat until evening and  stage 1 on easy days and, when I feel so. I did some fasting twice for two days.
I'm loosing weight, despite slower than people who are following the stage 2 because I'm in low intensity training (rest) now. My guess is that if you are in a medium-high intensity training with a little bit of calorie restriction (tailored to your needs) you'll be loosing weight also on stage 3 quite fast. When you loose enough start consuming enough food to meet your calorie needs.
If you require 300 g of proteins a day to maintain your muscle mass you probably won't be able to meet these requirements on the diet alone. Though, the protein intake in this lifestyle is higher than with usual starch based diets and this might reduce the need to consume it with shakes.
Depending on what your current diet is, you might have to learn to distinguish between the real hunger (in extremes demonstrating in dizziness, nausea, shortness of breath, general weakness) and a sugar rush hunger (the one when you stare in your refrigerator, blind with 'hunger', knowing you have to eat something but you don't really know what you want.... and you go for pica or french fries...). If your nutrition was high on carbs now, you might experience the latter, if it wasn't the stage 3 won't be bad at all.  Grin
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« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2012, 02:54:56 PM »

Jana, your description was a bit amusing.  I have had a pretty high carb diet for a long time now and that is exactly what I do, thinking of all the food around that I could be eating, at times.  It comes and goes, but overall it's not too bad, mostly just annoying.  The day after a lot of physical activity I find I'm not that hungry, suprisingly, but the following day I feel like I'm starving.  This has definitely had it's ups and downs in my life.  I've been feeling better and losing weight though, so I'm rather happy with it.  Cheesy
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« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2012, 06:38:11 AM »

MrChris,
How much weight have you lost so far?
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« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2012, 02:26:03 PM »

Hey Scorpio!  So far I'm down 13 pounds.  My pants are a bit more loose and I've been at the gym lifting though, so I'm sure I'm on the right track.  I gained about 25 pounds since being medically retired from the Navy in Jan '09.  I'm not overly concerned with the scale, but just getting rid of my love handles (which I don't love at all...)! Wink
How about you, where is your talley at now?
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« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2012, 07:44:55 AM »

Well MrChris,
My talley is getting better everyday!!  I started at 306 and as of today I am 275. 31pounds down so I can't complain at the moment.  I didn't get to play racquetball Saturday or Monday, so that broke my heart.  Some reason the flu and strep throat is going around my city.  My husband had it, but me and the children didn't get it.  If I don't get it, it is because of the lifestyle 100%.  I always catch strep throat every year for the past 15 years, so if this year is different I know why. 
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« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2012, 01:05:02 PM »

Good luck on that Scorpio, I hope you don't catch whatever's going around!  31 pounds is awesome, congrats!!  Wink
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